Subdivision Development: Issues We Face

Developing a subdivision is a somewhat complicated job. Land Surveyors and Engineers face many obstacles during the process of subdividing a parcel of land. One more has just been added to the mix.

According to a recent email that I received from our local City Planner and City Engineer about a meeting they had with the new USPS local postmaster, subidivision developers must now get the “mode of mail delivery” approved by the local Postmaster. AND, that approved mode will likely not include curbside mail boxes. The postmaster sent them a letter to backup his opinion and plan for this process. In part, it says



Some Popular Land Surveying Myths Debunked

Land surveying is an important process for land owners. A land survey helps find information on properties and pieces of land that otherwise may not be found. Unfortunately, not a lot of people appreciate land surveying. In fact, some people even think that land surveying is not important at all.

Here are some popular land surveying myths and the truth about them:

If I can find the stakes, I don’t need a land survey – A lot of people seem to think that finding the stakes around their property is good enough. Not really. Finding stakes around your property indicates that there may have been surveying done on it, but that’s it. In actuality the stake isn’t the corner.

Corners are required to be metal if they have been placed within the last 20 years or more. The stake doesn’t tell you what kind of survey has been made, or what the results of the survey are. It can’t even tell you if the surveying has indeed been done on your property or your neighbour’s. Not all lots are rectangular. In fact most are not. I’ve seen dozens of times where a pin was used for building a fence and the true corner was 5 to 20 feet away.

Encroaching over property lines rarely happens – It does happen, a lot in fact. There are too many instances when an owner decided to have his property surveyed for an entirely different reason, and the surveyor found out that he is in fact encroaching into his neighbour’s property or vice-versa. This causes many problems and tests even the best of neighbours. I personally know TWO people who have had heart attacks over land disputes.

The fence line is the property line – not always true. In fact, not even close to being always true. Fences in town may “usually” be on the property line. BUT, in a lot of cases they are not. It just depends on how detailed the fence installer or previous land owner were when constructing the fence. In rural settings, fences are only sometimes on the property lines.

When farmers or land owners ran fences in the past they sometimes “meandered” or went from tree to tree. The tree wasn’t always on the line but it saved the land owner putting up a fence post. The only way to know is to have the line surveyed. A word of caution here, sometimes fences that are not challenge over a long period of time can become the property line. This process is called adverse possession.

Consider having your land surveyed an investment. How much cheaper is a $500 survey compared to paying thousands of dollars to have your entire fence moved a few feet to the right?

For land surveying in Auburn, Alabama, call Pro17 Engineering at (888) 776-3610 or send us a message using our contact form. 

ALTA Title Survey

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An ALTA Title Survey is completed based on the “Minimum Standard Detail Requirements and Accuracy Standards For ALTA/ACSM Land Title Surveys.” This standard document was developed and is revised on a regular basis by a combination of Title industry and Surveying industry professionals. The latest version of this document is the 2011 revision.

ALTA Title SurveyAn ALTA Title Survey is generally similar to a boundary or lot survey on a piece of property. But, the ALTA survey goes a little farther in the requirements on the land surveyor as he/she carries out the survey, both in the field and in the office.

ALTA Title Surveys are generally used on commercial or multi-family residential sites and also when either the lender or owner is in another state jurisdiction. The ALTA standards are somewhat of a “national standard” for surveying, intended to yield a consistent survey no matter what state the work is done in.

While most States have surveying standards, they vary widely from one state to the other. So, the ALTA standard is used to cut down on this variation.

Since ALTA Surveys take more time and effort, these surveys typically cost more than a survey done according to a particular state standard. It should be pointed out that if the state standard is more restrictive on a certain point, then the most restrictive standard is required on the survey.

I see ALTA surveys priced from 50% to 200% more than a comparable boundary survey. This depends on the items checked in “Table A – Optional Survey Responsibilities and Specifications.” This table adds additional or specific tasks to the surveyor’s scope of work. One item that is usually included with most all ALTA survey requests is Item #1, monuments placed.

Most state standards probably include this and, in my opinion, all surveys should, but the ALTA survey leaves this optional unless the item is checked on Table A.

In regard to this, one of the things I appreciate is that the client is “supposed to” not only fill out this Table A but also to furnish title documents to the surveyor BEFORE he starts the survey. In practice we rarely get the title documents until we issue the first draft of the survey.

At that time the documents are sent to us and we are asked to revise the survey and show them. While this is not the way its planned, at least we have the chance to review the documents before issuing the final version of the survey.

So, if you have a commercial parcel or a large multi-family residential complex, you should consider asking for the ALTA survey standards to be used. You should also probably do this if you are considering the purchase or development of a parcel outside your state. Most of the banks will require this if you ask for a loan on this type property, but I recommend this even if the bank doesn’t require it.

If we can help you with an ALTA Title Survey in the future, please don’t hesitate to contact us at Pro17 Engineering at (334) 826-9540 or fill out our contact form on our Contact page.


How Important is Land Surveying in Today’s World?

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Most of you have probably never thought about land surveying until you needed it at some point. Many of us hear about land surveying all the time but never really give it much thought.

Since an investment in land and/or a home will likely be the largest investment you will ever make in your lifetime, knowing where your property lines are becomes very important indeed.

The art of land surveying was developed centuries ago. In fact, it’s one of the oldest professions in the world. The fact that it was used by man at such an early time and is still being used now shows how important surveying is to our survival.

The Many Uses of Land Surveying

Surveying land has many uses. Boundary surveying, for instance, allows you to know where your property corners or property lines are. This is especially helpful when disputes with a neighbour or with other people arise in terms of where your property ends.

If your family wants to divide a tract of land and transfer ownership to other family members, a boundary survey is the first step to do so. If you’re having a building constructed, it is very important that you have the land surveyed to make sure that you are not encroaching onto other peoples’ property.

A mistaken building location is very expensive to fix so you might as well invest in a boundary survey to prevent this.

A topographic survey, or topo survey for short, is another important type of land surveying. A topo survey is done to locate natural and man-made features on a particular parcel of land. A topographic survey is different in that the elevation of the land is surveyed which means it can show man-made underground features, retaining walls, utility lines and etc.

Before you start any kind of construction activity, it’s important to have a topo survey done in the area so they’ll have an accurate record of the land’s existing conditions. Yes, that spot with the new mall in the neighbourhood had to have a topo survey done first.

Now, a flood survey or flood determination – this is very important too. It isn’t evident just looking at a property whether you are at risk of flooding or not. And, in some cases, even looking at the flood maps doesn’t give you an accurate answer. The flood survey determines the elevation of the home and compares that to the base flood elevation.

This is the only way to be sure you’re not in a flood hazard zone. If you’ve just been told that you live in a flood-prone area, having that confirmed by a professional land surveyor would let you know how to best proceed.

When getting flood insurance, insurance companies would require an elevation certificate from you. A land surveyor would be able to assist you with this.

If a company wants to invest in another state, or if there is a national lender on a commercial project, they will likely need an ALTA Land Title Survey done before anything is constructed. An ALTA Land Title Survey is a lot like a regular boundary survey except that nationally accepted ALTA Standards are used to guide the surveying effort.

Land surveying standards vary widely from state to state and an ALTA Land Title Survey is used to cut down on this variation. Also, an ALTA Land Title Survey typically is more involved than the state standards variety. Because of this, an ALTA survey can be more anywhere from 50% to 200% more expensive than using the state standards only.

If you need this type of survey, I suggest seeking an experienced land surveying company who is familiar with these additional requirements.

In summary, there are many uses for land surveying and for seeking the services of a land surveyor. If you’re unsure of your situation, consult Pro17 Engineering at (334) 826-9540 today or go to the Contact page and send us an email.

Land Surveying: Estimating the Cost

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Land surveying, simply speaking, is the art and science of establishing or re-establishing property corners, property lines and/or boundaries.

There may be different reasons why someone needs a chunk of property surveyed. Essentially the most common is to check if a piece of land is prone to flooding, to subdivide a property to sell or deed to relatives or to know if there are any encroachments.

This may happen if a neighbour disputes you are using a part of his lot or vice versa (for more on this, check this page).

How much does land surveying cost?

If you need to have a piece of land surveyed, the first thing that will come to mind is “how much would it cost?”There are various factors determining the amount of land surveying for your land would cost.

The fact that this sort of service should be accomplished by a professional contributes a great deal to the overall cost of the service, but choosing a non-professional to survey your land is dangerous and possibly illegal for the non-professional.

For this reason you ought to take a good look around before settling with a surveying company. If you must work inside a particular budget, discuss this with the surveyor up-front. Many times he might be able to offer cost saving steps to get the work you need done within these cost limits.

The shape of the land also needs to be looked into. A square or a rectangle piece of land is somewhat quicker to survey than an odd shaped parcel, or one with many different sides. With the latter, the surveyor would need to take more time in surveying the curves and the bends meaning the cost of the service would increase. The overall measurements the land is also an important factor here.

Remember that the cost of land surveying is usually proportionate to the time and effort that a land surveyor would spend on the project. If the land that you’re having surveyed isn’t accessible, or has thick vegetation, then the total price of the survey might go higher. This is true of the weather conditions that might affect the work.

Surveying in warm weather is sort of slower to keep from putting the crew members in danger. Also, most surveying cannot be done during the rain.

When requesting an estimate, bear in mind surveyors base the estimate on expected conditions at the site. These conditions could change, bringing about additional costs. Always ask about these potential additional cost scenarios.

All that being said, competitive prices are also to be expected, which is why we recommend deciding on a surveyor based on his experience and reputation instead of on the price he writes on a piece of paper.

Mostly it is far better to shell out a good amount of money on a survey that’s well-done rather than select a company with a very “affordable” price but have the survey repeated because the results were wrong.

In summary, you should always discuss the expenses of the survey before you ask the surveyor to start his work. It’s also advisable to receive a contract that lets you understand what is expected of the land surveyor. This is one of the most important steps in getting your land surveyed.

For a free land surveying quote, call Pro17 Engineering at (334) 826-9540  or send us a message by going here.